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		<title>Science Poems mix</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Science Poems mix sets out to explore the sound of science and the science of sound. The playlist ranges from sonic experiments and musical inventions to sounds and music deriving from science. But while science can be described as a systematic knowledge-base or a prescriptive practice, best sounds don&#8217;t usually make any sense. So [...]]]></description>
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<p><span style="color: #000000;"><em>The Science Poems mix sets out to explore the sound of science and the science of sound. The playlist ranges from sonic experiments and musical inventions to sounds and music deriving from science. But while science can be described as a systematic knowledge-base or a prescriptive practice, best sounds don&#8217;t usually make any sense. So <a title="listen" href="http://www.ok-do.eu/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/sciencepoems%20Rendered.mp3" target="_blank">listen</a>, let <a title="dopamine" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dopamine" target="_blank">dopamine</a> set the mood and get lost in science.</em></span><span id="more-1445"></span></p>
<p><a title="Download the Science Poems mix here (by right clicking)!" href="http://www.ok-do.eu/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/sciencepoems%20Rendered.mp3" target="_blank">Download the Science Poems mix here (by right clicking)!<br />
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<span style="color: #000000;">Kraftwerk: Geiger Counter</span></strong></p>
<p><span style="color: #000000;">Kraftwerk call themselves &#8220;music workers&#8221; somewhere in between musicians and technicians.  In the spirit of the Science Poems mix, Kraftwerk&#8217;s 1975 concept album Radio-Activity has a twin theme being partly about radioactivity and partly about activity on the radio. Geiger Counter is a study on a <a title="radiation detector" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geiger_counter" target="_blank">radiation detector</a> picking up more and more <a title="gamma rays" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamma_ray" target="_blank">gamma rays</a> as we go on with our mix.</span></p>
<p><span style="color: #000000;"><strong><span style="font-size: x-small;"> </span></strong><strong>The Eerie Sounds of Saturn&#8217;s Radio Emissions<br />
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<p><span style="color: #000000;">This winter, Palais de Tokyo displayed a piece of sound art by David Allen as part of the <a title="Chasing Napoleon exhibition" href="http://www.ok-do.eu/articles/the-art-and-science-of-the-invisible/" target="_blank">Chasing Napoleon exhibition</a>. It recreated Eric Saties&#8217; piece Véritables préludes flasques (pour un chien) [Truly flabby preludes (for a dog) in French] in a literal manner: the preludes were played above the audio frequency of 20kHz. They were thus unperceivable to humans yet comfortably within the hearing range of dogs who are able to hear much higher sounds.</span></p>
<p><span style="color: #000000;">Well above the audio spectrum of Allen&#8217;s piece, The Eerie Sounds of Saturn&#8217;s Radio Emissions relate to the auroras of <a title="Saturn" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturn" target="_blank">Saturn</a>&#8216;s poles. The emissions were recorded by the Cassini spacecraft and are to be found somewhere in between 30 and 80 kHz. Theyhave been made audible by shifting them downwards. As the changes in frequency are rather slow, the recording is also sped up altogether 22 times. The complex radio spectrum with rising and falling tones is very similar to the Earth&#8217;s auroral radio emissions. </span></p>
<p><span style="color: #000000;">We included this track by the inspiration of Avaruusromua (Space Junk in Finnish), a weekly radio show on the Finnish national radio we both grew up with. Avaruusromua has presented musical visions beyond time and space for two decades already.<strong> </strong></span></p>
<p><span style="color: #000000;"><strong>Bass Extreme &amp; Techmaster P.E.B.: Bass Sweep</strong></span></p>
<p><span style="color: #000000;">At the other end of our perceivable audio spectrum lies bass. Bass test tracks are used to test the low end, or bass response, of audio systems, particularly loudspeakers and amplifiers. They mostly concentrate on frequencies under 50 Hz where sound is more about feeling and less about hearing. Bass Sweep features two bass notes sweeping in stereo creating clashing harmonics and pulsating overtones. Note: you might not hear anything on your laptop speakers as their frequency response goes down to only around 150 Hz!</span></p>
<p><span style="color: #000000;"><strong>Kenji Kawai: M01 Chant I &#8211; Making of Cyborg</strong></span></p>
<p><span style="color: #000000;">The year is 2029. Cyborgs are made to protect the increasingly information-oriented world from hackers. Kenji Kawai&#8217;s Making of Cyborg haunts like Ghost in the Shell, a 1995 science fiction anime film by Mamoru Oshii and the most impressive science poem that we know.</span></p>
<p><span style="color: #000000;"><strong>Timothy Leary: Trip: The Beginning of the Voyage (Heart Chakra)</strong></span></p>
<p><span style="color: #000000;">Timothy Leary (1920-1996), an American writer, psychologist and futurist, urged people to embrace cultural changes through the use of psychedelics and by detaching themselves from the existing conventions and hierarchies in society. An icon of 1960s counterculture, Leary is most famous as a proponent of the therapeutic, spiritual and emotional benefits of LSD. This is one of the sound montages he recorded for accompanying the experiments in <a title="turning on, tuning in and dropping out" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turn_on,_tune_in,_drop_out" target="_blank">turning on, tuning in and dropping out</a>. <strong> </strong></span></p>
<p><span style="color: #000000;"><strong>Dopplereffekt: Z Boson</strong></span></p>
<p><span style="color: #000000;"><strong> </strong>Like Russia in Winston Churchill&#8217;s words, Dopplereffekt is &#8220;a riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma&#8221;. There is no absolute certainty about the individual(s) behind the music. However, Dopplereffekt is generally believed to be the producer and artist Gerald Donald who is also connected with the projects Der Zyklus, Japanese Telecom and Arpanet. He is also half of the late Drexciya. Although the musical style of Dopplereffekt has changed over time the artistic production has always had a strong thematic and conceptual affiliation with science, sexuality and politics.</span></p>
<p><span style="color: #000000;">Z Boson is taken from the album Linear Accelerator released in 2003 – just a few years after Dopplereffekt <span style="color: #000000;">had become linked</span></span> <span style="color: #000000;">with the &#8220;electro revival&#8221; happening at the time.</span> <span style="color: #000000;"><span style="color: #000000;">H</span>owever, with Linear Accelerator this ended quickly. The album&#8217;s music took its conceptual cues from high energy physics and mostly also sounded like it. While Z Boson is one of the album&#8217;s more &#8220;approachable&#8221; pieces, its subject matter is not: <a title="z bosons" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W_and_Z_bosons" target="_blank">z bosons</a> are elementary particles that mediate the <a title="weak force" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weak_force" target="_blank">weak force</a>, one of the fundamental interactions of nature.</span></p>
<p><span style="color: #000000;"><strong>Ataraxia: I Ching </strong></span></p>
<p><span style="color: #000000;">I Ching, Book of Changes, is one of the oldest Chinese classic texts. It presents a system of cosmology and philosophy intrinsic to Chinese culture, centering around the ideas of the dynamic balance of opposites, the evolution of events as a process, and the acceptance of the inevitability of change. Ataraxia, then again, is not only the pseudonym of the Moog-wizard Mort Garson but also a concept used to describe a spiritual balance or a state of perfection that is not possible for human beings to reach entirely. The track I Ching by Ataraxia was made in 1975 to accompany meditations.<strong> </strong></span></p>
<p><span style="color: #000000;"><strong>David Rothenberg: Beezus, Beeten, Breep</strong> </span></p>
<p><span style="color: #000000;">Musician, composer, author and philosopher-naturalist David Rothenberg meditates by playing with a band of birds and crickets, and writes about the deep connections between humans and the natural world. Like evolutionists, Rothenberg has never been able to completely explain why birds sing and what their song means to both avian and human ears. It is an aesthetic and scientific mystery. &#8220;There is music in nature and nature in music. We can be immersed by both without needing to understand how the two are forever intertwined. It is enough to know that they are,&#8221; Rothenberg writes.</span></p>
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<div id="attachment_1447" class="wp-caption alignnone" style="width: 559px"><img class="size-full wp-image-1447" title="Science Poems mix" src="http://www.ok-do.eu/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/Science_poems_mix_2.jpg" alt="" width="549" height="366" /><p class="wp-caption-text">Laurie Anderson&#39;s debut album Big Science (1982) is minimalist and monochrome in sound. Photo by the courtesy of Nonesuch Records.</p></div>
<p><span style="color: #000000;"><strong>Laurie Anderson: Let X=X</strong></span></p>
<p><span style="color: #000000;">Closing the circle, the arbitrary title of Laurie Anderson&#8217;s track Let X=X from her avant-garde debut album Big Science (1982) brings <a title="the words of John Cage" href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcHnL7aS64Y" target="_blank">the words of John Cage</a> to mind: &#8220;I love sounds just as they are, and they don&#8217;t have to be anything more than they are. I don&#8217;t want them to be psychological, I don&#8217;t want a sound to pretend that it&#8217;s a bucket, or that it&#8217;s a president, or that it&#8217;s in love with another sound. I just want it to be a sound.&#8221;</span></p>
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		<title>Taking Paris</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2009 12:37:05 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Jenna Sutela</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Spending the past six weeks in Paris, some random things occurred to me. This is a small inventory from the Paris night to surrealism and the architecture of Jean Renaudie. The capital of boredom? Le Monde recently wrote about Paris as the European Capital of Boredom (Paris, capitale européenne de l&#8217;ennui), comparing it to Berlin, [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Spending the past six weeks in Paris, some random things occurred to me. This is a small inventory from the Paris night to surrealism and the architecture of Jean Renaudie.<span id="more-1203"></span></em></p>
<div id="attachment_1204" class="wp-caption alignnone" style="width: 559px"><em><em><img class="size-large wp-image-1204" title="Taking Paris" src="http://www.ok-do.eu/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/Christmas_card_from_Paris-549x390.jpg" alt="Tour Eiffel by Armi." width="549" height="390" /></em></em><p class="wp-caption-text">Tour Eiffel by Armi.</p></div>
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<p><strong>The capital of boredom?</strong></p>
<p>Le Monde recently wrote about Paris as the European Capital of Boredom (<a title="Paris, capitale européenne de l'ennui" href="http://www.lemonde.fr/culture/article/2009/11/30/paris-capitale-europeenne-de-l-ennui_1274046_3246.html" target="_blank">Paris, capitale européenne de l&#8217;ennui</a>), comparing it to Berlin, London or Barcelona – cities &#8220;more cosmopolitan, more insane, and more free&#8221;. It referred to the imminent death of the Parisian nightlife due to the anti-smoking law resulting in noise on the streets and, ultimately, administrative closure of club nights as well as the low-cost aviation taking clubbers to the neighbouring cities (see e.g. <a title="Tobias Rapp: Lost and Sound – Berlin, Techno and the Easyjet Set" href="http://www.innercityvisions.com/gifts/view/dvds-books-tobias-rapp-lost-and-sound-innervisions-english-version.html" target="_blank">Tobias Rapp: Lost and Sound – Berlin, Techno and the Easyjet Set</a>).</p>
<p>However, I managed to come across some more institutionalised fun. For instance, one of the central figures of the Parisian night, the French composer and DJ Laurent Garnier could be found playing records at the Louvre. The evening, Inventaire avant disparition (Inventory before disappearance), was part of <a title="a series of events in the honour of Umberto Eco" href="http://www.louvre.fr/llv/auditorium/detail_theme.jsp?CONTENT%3C%3Ecnt_id=10134198674149127&amp;CURRENT_LLV_FICHE%3C%3Ecnt_id=10134198674149127&amp;FOLDER%3C%3Efolder_id=9852723696500855" target="_blank">a series of events in the honour of Umberto Eco</a>. It presented Garnier interpreting scenes from the silent film footage of the early 20th century life shot for philanthropist <a title="Albert Kahn" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Kahn_(banker)" target="_blank">Albert Kahn</a>&#8216;s The Archives of the Planet project.</p>
<p>Also, some weeks ago at <a title="Palais de Tokyo" href="http://www.palaisdetokyo.com/" target="_blank">Palais de Tokyo</a>, a Boston band <a title="Prince Rama of Ayodhya" href="http://www.myspace.com/princeramaofayodhya" target="_blank">Prince Rama of Ayodhya</a> played an evening of psychedelic folk surrounded by <a title="Paul Laffoley" href="http://www.laffoley.com" target="_blank">Paul Laffoley</a>&#8216;s <a title="art brut" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Art_brut" target="_blank">art brut</a>, combining words and imagery to depict a spiritual architecture of utopia. The singer of the band, Taraka Larson, an assistant to Laffoley for four years, described how &#8220;the songs strive to reach infinite time&#8221;.</p>
<p><strong>&#8220;To change ways of being, one has to first change ways of seeing.&#8221; &#8211; André Breton</strong></p>
<p>One of the central figures of art brut was the French surrealist theorist <a title="André Breton" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andr%C3%A9_Breton" target="_blank">André Breton</a>, who believed that one way to discover who you are was to have your photograph taken. At Centre Pompidou&#8217;s <a title="La Subversion des Images exhibition" href="http://www.centrepompidou.fr/Pompidou/Manifs.nsf/AllExpositions/6C44A42D3D8F05E4C12575CC0033082B?OpenDocument&amp;sessionM=2.2.1&amp;L=1" target="_blank">La Subversion des Images exhibition</a>, I saw Breton and his friends&#8217; photos taken in the first photo booth, Photomaton, in the Paris of 1928. All the surrealists subjected themselves to the camera with their eyes closed, recognising &#8220;the omnipotence of the dream&#8221;, like Breton wrote in <a title="the first Surrealist Manifesto" href="http://www.tcf.ua.edu/Classes/Jbutler/T340/F98/SurrealistManifesto.htm" target="_blank">the first Surrealist Manifesto</a>. These were photographs of dreamers.</p>
<p>Like the surrealists, also Jean Renaudie, the architect behind the social housing blocks of Ivry sur Seine in the suburbs of Paris, dreamt about changing life. Rejecting the structures of functionalism, Renaudie focused on creating housing that stimulated social exchange. The complex of eight buildings in the centre of Ivry from 1971 to 1980 must be one of the most interesting places I&#8217;ve visited. It proposes an alternative to classical and modernist urban spaces, offering different apartments for different people – all equipped with a garden terrace, and all mixing public and private space (see e.g. <a title="Irénée Scalbert: A Right to Difference – The Architecture of Jean Renaudie" href="http://www.aaschool.ac.uk/publications/Main.aspx?sectionId=1&amp;entryId=233" target="_blank">Irénée Scalbert: A Right to Difference – The Architecture of Jean Renaudie</a>). Renaudie&#8217;s random room heights, shapes and sizes require the inhabitants to agree with a way of life, the apartments being stronger than them.</p>
<p>Renaudie believed in changing the social environment, and even social hierarchies, through spatial practice. However, the question is, does his architecture actually create behaviour or rather attract it, like my architect friend Pierre pointed out. Does the social housing at Ivry sur Seine actually change its inhabitants or rather bring similar souls closer to each other – more cosmopolitan, more insane, and more free than in Berlin, London or Barcelona?</p>
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		<title>World mix – The world of music according to Crashroots</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 10:00:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Martti Kalliala (OK Do, Renaissance Man) and me met with the musicians Samim Winiger and Miguel Toro to talk about the future of music and copyright. Reflecting on Winiger and Toro’s latest project Crashroots, an online platform for collaborative music production and distribution, we covered issues from process to product – from remixing to international [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Martti Kalliala (OK Do, <a title="Renaissance Man" href="http://www.myspace.com/renaissancemanmvsic" target="_blank">Renaissance Man</a>) and me met with the musicians Samim Winiger and Miguel Toro to talk about the future of music and copyright. Reflecting on Winiger and Toro’s latest project <a title="Crashoots" href="http://crashroots.com/" target="_blank">Crashroots</a>, an online platform for collaborative music production and distribution, we covered issues from process to product – from remixing to international music culture. The article starts Remix, a series of writings on sharing and ownership in creative practices.</em><strong><span id="more-87"></span></strong></p>
<p><strong><img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-298" title="World mix – The world of music according to Crashroots" src="http://www.ok-do.eu/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/1.jpg" alt="1" width="549" height="359" /><br />
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<p><strong>J.S.: What is the motivation behind Crashroots – producing music in an open-ended way and giving it out for free?</strong></p>
<p>S.W.: I guess it started as part of <a title="the free culture movement" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_culture_movement" target="_blank">the free culture movement</a>. We believe that the time has come to apply the knowledge we have of open software design to music. Being open, we can take advantage of immediate release times and feedback as well as statistic-driven analysis of what people really want and what they don’t want. You get totally new views to music through being open about it in the making – wait five more years and it will be the modus operandi of the whole industry.<strong></strong></p>
<p><strong>J.S.: So, Crashroots is all about sharing ideas?</strong></p>
<p>S.W.: What we’re basically doing is that we’re picking up ideas floating around and repackaging them within an open community of music lovers. So, besides openness Crashroots is all about participation. It’s important to get people not only to listen to music but also to remix it, starting to engage and interact.</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;It’s important to get people not only to listen to music but also to remix it, starting to engage and interact.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p><strong> J.S.: Like Jean-Luc Godard said, “it’s not where you take things from – it’s where you take them to”.</strong></p>
<p>S.W.: Sure, and we believe that music gets better when people start putting out ideas at an early stage, getting others involved.<strong></strong></p>
<p><strong>M.K.: This brings me to sampling, which is obviously an important part of the music making taking place on Crashroots. I’m intrigued by the fact that you encourage crediting the original tracks behind the samples even though their use is practically considered illegal. What’s your standpoint on the subject?</strong></p>
<p>S.W.: I’m personally against copyright because I see music as a starting point for exploration.<br />
M.T.: I feel like an archaeologist when I pick up a song. But while an archaeologist would place his discoveries in a museum for people to see them, we’re basically doing the same thing, yet bringing it to another level where people can actually rework the discoveries and give them a new life.<br />
S.W.: If you think back, before recorded music a similar process occurred through songs sung to people in order to exchange them.<br />
M.T.: We need to rethink the concept of owning and, through that, copyright. For example, I have been playing the drums since I was a kid. And how did I learn to play the drums? I just put on a Beatles record and copied Ringo Starr. So, basically I was sampling him. And this is how the millions of drummers the world over learned – by copying. Or think of Bernard Purdie, the drummer for James Brown, whose drum break in the song Funky Drummer has been sampled non-stop for 25 years now. Imagine him trying to claim royalties for these eight seconds. In the end, he didn&#8217;t come up with the part himself. What he did was that he went to Africa, heard the local music and translated it into his drumming.</p>
<p><img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-308" title="World mix – The world of music according to Crashroots" src="http://www.ok-do.eu/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/2new.jpg" alt="2new" width="549" height="359" /></p>
<p><strong>J.S.: Crashroots really blurs the boundaries between production and consumption. Would you say that the main cultural product that Crashroots produces is the social process of making music rather than the pieces of music that come out of it?</strong></p>
<p>S.W.: It&#8217;s the conversation first and foremost. Music in the end always carries a message whether you want it or not. And reworking culturally relevant things like that really hits the spot. As an example, if we take a track and do a mix in Berlin but someone in Minsk does another one and someone in Mexico does one, too, in between them there&#8217;s a conversation going on concerning the original sample – when it came out and all that. And that for me is the most important part. After that come the dancing people.</p>
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M.K.: Going beyond the site itself, who &#8220;is&#8221; Crashroots? For whom is it a brand or an umbrella to work under, in regard to, for instance, live shows?</strong></p>
<p>S.W.: The thing is Crashroots completely turns around the closed old school record label model by saying that everybody is a member and only evaluating who’s an important member and who’s not over time. We have planned to do Crashroots concerts based on the idea that wherever we&#8217;re playing, we will invite all interesting Crashroots contributors from that part of the world to join us. And obviously get paid as well.<br />
M.T.: There&#8217;s also another touring concept that we came up with which is something totally opposite: having a seven piece real life band playing the best songs from Crashroots live.<br />
S.W.: We believe that these types of concepts are bound to be successful as the Crashroots fan base is really close to us, consisting mainly of people who make the music.</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;Crashroots completely turns around the old school record label model by saying that everybody is a member and only evaluating who&#8217;s an important member and who&#8217;s not over time.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p><strong>J.S.: What if a song becomes a hit, how do you recognize and reward the people who participated in making it?</strong></p>
<p>M.T.: Well, the best case scenario for the contributors would be that a label calls them up and signs them because they like what they&#8217;ve heard.<br />
S.W.: And get the attention and publicity this other label can provide as this is what record labels are now &#8211; marketing channels. Additionally, on every release we give an opportunity for the artists to link to different kinds of support schemes: their Beatport accounts, online shops that sell their t-shirts etc. So basically, what we&#8217;re trying to do is to steer the flow of attention towards the artists who can then make the best out of it. We could obviously build an in-house shop but I think third party services are the way to go on the internet – don&#8217;t reinvent, just link it in. That’ll let the artists have their accounts and get the attention through us.<br />
M.T.: And then there are the gigs and all that.</p>
<p>S.W.: We use <a title="the Creative Commons license" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creative_Commons" target="_blank">the Creative Commons license</a> so if one makes a hit from Crashroots taking my beat, Miguel&#8217;s bassline and his own melody, and gets signed to a major label, he&#8217;s obliged to ask all the parties and find a deal. And that is a human kind of process – not from lawyer to lawyer. I hope we can encourage deals like this to take place and get a community language going on – have records where you have literally ten people involved.<strong></strong></p>
<p><strong>J.S.: Have you developed some kind of a business model for Crashroots?</strong></p>
<p>M.T.: We only started Crashroots a couple of months ago so the business model isn’t quite set yet. However, we have been talking about <a title="the freemium model" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freemium" target="_blank">the freemium model</a> – giving all music files away for free and focusing on selling something physical, not meaning a CD or vinyl but some other means of embodiment.<br />
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M.K.: You see the freemium model applicable to musical content?</strong></p>
<p>S.W.: Yes, we strongly believe that. For example, now we&#8217;re building up a community of people who take our music and actually use six hours reworking it in Ableton Live. Six hours is a huge time dedication! I mean you don&#8217;t even dedicate that much time to your partnership these days. So, that&#8217;s a really close relationship that we&#8217;re building. And if you give these people something of value, they&#8217;re actually very willing to pay for it. Think about a situation where we collaborate and I offer you something physical to put on your bookshelf as a token of the work. It looks amazing and has a purpose, and I think I can make you pay for it even if the price was a bit higher than a normal CD. I think that in order to make these models work, one needs to collaborate with artists and designers who can make physical things valuable and interesting. This model has been proven to work with software and even books but we have to prove it works now with music as well.</p>
<p><img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-309" title="World mix – The world of music according to Crashroots" src="http://www.ok-do.eu/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/3new.jpg" alt="3new" width="549" height="359" /></p>
<p><strong>J.S.: At the moment, using Crashroots requires software for making music as there are no simple tools on site. So, the participation requires at least some knowledge and interest in music making. Do you see that as a good thing or would you rather like to see the roles of an amateur and a professional blurring or mixing within Crashroots?</strong></p>
<p>M.T.: Some people have come up to say that they’re doing something with music for the first time on Crashroots, and I think that’s really cool. These people approach the subject with no preconceptions and might come up with something very interesting in the end.<br />
S.W.: Apparently it takes a bit of literacy to do music and we would like to have semi-interested people doing it. Crashroots also has an underlying theme of cultural mash-uping. Our dream would be to release a song made by people from all different countries.</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;Our dream would be to release a song made by people from all different countries.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p><strong>M.K.: How far does your personal influence as founders and &#8220;curators&#8221; of Crashroots reach regarding the end product, the music itself? What if the musical output of Crashroots turns into something you would consider bad? I mean, maintaining personal quality control must become impossible once the community grows beyond a certain scale.</strong></p>
<p>M.T.: That&#8217;s a key question here: who decides what&#8217;s good and what&#8217;s bad. To be honest, so far 99% of the music has been good – to us and the community. And ‘good’ meaning also the things that were improved through the feedback of the community.</p>
<p>S.W.: The great thing about the platform we are using and building are its community-based voting tools. If you are constantly offering something the community considers bad you will be put on &#8216;pending&#8217;. But at some point, with, for instance, a thousand active users we will probably need to close down registration for a while. On the internet you need to keep your signal-to-noise ratio extremely high.<strong></strong></p>
<p><strong>M.K.: But wouldn&#8217;t the closed community start to resemble the &#8216;closed label&#8217; from the past again?</strong></p>
<p>S.W.: With a thousand artists? That&#8217;s a huge difference. The thing is, the material itself is in the public so you can take our songs and start a new Crashroots with another community. But what we are trying to do here is not just about the music itself, but also the conversation. And conversation is small scale. When you go over ten thousand people you will end up in MySpace type of interaction, which is bad – it&#8217;s just too big. That&#8217;s why Twitter is so good: they manage to get down to those little groups of people. I would be proud to have an active community of ten thousand, not more. If you imagine every record label mutating into an open source music community, there will be thousands of them. Then you can specialize in hip hop, me in whatever type of dance music and so on. We just need to find a way to interact with each other.<strong></strong></p>
<p><strong>M.K.: Compared to software, however, you are dealing with a much more culturally sensitive product.</strong></p>
<p>S.W.: Yes. Even though it shouldn&#8217;t be. The thing is, looking twenty years into the future I strongly believe music will be generative. We will all be putting out our stems, all the parts a piece of music is built of, tagged with metadata. You could already build songs using algorithms saying &#8220;I need an aggressive bassline, a beat that is this and this tempo and this and this mood etc.&#8221; I, as a listener will bring my profile with me and the computer will adjust the music according to my listening habits. We won&#8217;t be listening to the same tracks anymore. And this is not that far; it&#8217;s already technically possible. It&#8217;s more a question of cultural adaptation. Then it will really be goodbye to Michael Jackson – the end of the superstar<em>.</em></p>
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